Dear Skywatchers,
We know this is a long thread, but there is an interesting culmination toward the end.

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WhereIsTruth (5 days ago)
instead of “rainbows” they are chembows!
your skies look disgusting.
i like how you mentioned the chemical ladened sky to that passerbyer…i do that all the time. i try not to freak anyone out…but i say just enough to get them thinking. thanks for reporting again. you are one of the heros…oh ya, and a locust. lol :)
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Airshipal (5 days ago) Thanks again for the support.
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WhereIsTruth (5 days ago)no problem friend :)
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budgetmoon (5 days ago) Nice work Airship! The rainbows appear to be refracting at a certain point of the sundog usually right at the 90 degree of the circle or 270 degrees. What does that mean? Thanks for having the courage to do this. As China begins to officially control their weather – what does this mean for the rest of planet?
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tallie84 (4 days ago) Airshipal thank you so much for your videos. Im in australia and my town is only sprayed once every month or so. I cant believe how heavy you guys in the USA are sprayed! It is shocking :(

I work in a College and have access to video cameras, so ill get some footage when were sprayed next.

Keep up the videos lets get the word out!
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blackrubberbag (4 days ago) Your videos are consistently amazing. Keep up the great work! The sliver of rainbow was incredible.

How about some more “Man on the street” type interviews or comments like on this video? It would be great to see what your neighbors are thinking about this.
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Airshipal (3 days ago)
Your suggestion is very thoughtful. KidStarDust and I are planning to do just that. Today we are going to be interviewing people involved in chemtrail research and observation by telephone in a professional radio studio and will podcast these on the website (newyorkskywatch) shortly. Stay tuned. There is much more to come. Once again, thank you for your support.
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Epoxynous (2 days ago)
The general name for these is “halos”, they are different from rainbows, they come in all shapes and sizes. They have always done this.

See atoptics dot co dot uk,
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Airshipal (2 days ago)
Thank you for the site address. Very interesting material. However, please keep in mind that these halos appeared in artificial clouds formed by persistent contrails left by many jets.
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Epoxynous (2 days ago)
Yes, contrails they are basically cirrus clouds. Not really that different from natural cirrus clouds, except for them being man made, and rather long and narrow.

Halos last a lot longer than rainbows, since halos are from ice clouds, which hang around for hours, whereas rainbows are basically from rain, which does not.
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Airshipal (2 days ago)
The site you suggested was very helpful. What causes ice clouds to form when the atmospheric conditions such as temperature, humidity, and altitude are anything but ideal? I also observed jets leaving dark trails which are not tricks of light. This is all very strange and I am a seeker of answers that are logical and accurate. My personal observations have led me to believe that this aerial activity (spraying of persistent contrails) has ominous consequences.
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Epoxynous (2 days ago)
Ice clouds do not form in non-ideal conditions. But it’s very difficult to accurately measure those conditions (and altitude). Contrail formation is usually a far more accurate indicator of the upper atmospheric conditions than you get from the weather stations. Upper atmosphere soundings are done only at 12 hour intervals at stations spaced 300 miles apart.

There are several ways a trail can appear dark. Do you have a photo of something that looked like what you saw?
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Airshipal (2 days ago)
I posted a video of this. It is dated 11/11/06 Pt. 1.
Please check it out and let me know what you think. By the way, the dark trails appeared in October and November. I have not seen this recently but I notice that white contrails have a dark appearance in shadows. I watched the trails come out of the jets with the dark appearance. Some residue occasionally drifts down and looks like smoke from a nearby fire.
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Epoxynous (2 days ago)
I commented on that video. Basically the contrails are in shadow, so look dark.

This residue, if it’s high up it’s probably some form of precipitation, known as “fallstreaks” or “virga”. Google image search for cirrus+contrail+virga

Also check out the cloud appreciation society for lots of photos of unusual clouds and contrails.
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Airshipal (2 days ago)
That was interesting website. It is much better to appreciate clouds against a bright blue sky. In NYC we rarely see blue sky as it is usually a milky whitish, silvery color with just a hint of blue. I find it interesting that friends in Arizona report the same persistent contrail activity in high temperature, low humidity conditions. They also report obscuration and the loss of blue sky as well. This is a concern as the normal nightly radiation cooling is being inhibited by the cloud cover.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
The sky is a bit less blue. There’s a couple of things going on. There is “haze” and “global dimming”. Look them up of Wikipedia. Contrails may contribute to the latter, but both are mostly due to particulates from burning fossil fuels.

There’s a bit of wishful thinking here as well, the sky has never been quite as frequently and deeply blue as in our childhood memories.

Google for contrail+science, then check the old photos from the first link.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
And yes, the effects on contrail coverage on radiative cooling is a problem. The net effect of contrails seems to be to warm the earth. This has been studied and discussed for decades.

I’d question those “high temperatures” they have in Arizona. Right now it’s -52F at 34000 feet MSL, above Tucson, with 55mph winds from the west. That’s not at all unusual. Local humidity is very hard to measure at those altitudes.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
One of the things that we are trying to do is find data about the flight paths and weather conditions, especially during the times of persistent contrail activity. I know that grids and jets flying in close proximity while emitting contrails is indicative of something more than the obvious. I do not have the answers but I feel that my questions have legitimacy. I believe that there is more than meets the eye but until I know more, I can only question and invite others to do the same.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
All questions are legitimate. But they do have answers.

The question I have is: what prompts you to look beyond “the obvious”. Grids of persistent contrails have been observed for decades, and are just a consequence of high altitude jet travel.

Have you seen the 1970′s paper “Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget”, it has contrails just like you’ve seen.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
Thanks for the info but I still believe that this is a subject worthy of more research. What was then is then and the activity now seen appears to be different. Kinda like hiding in plain (plane?) sight.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
Actually, I feel that global dimming is more believable than global warming. There is so many factors that contribute to this but the persistent contrails concern me deeply. Much of this is not natural. I wish I knew how to use the Appleman chart for contrail determination but the NASA website has interesting information on the subject.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
The Appleman chart is only a rough approximation. NASA is still working on ways of accurately predicting contrail formation. There are a lot of factors involved, including engine efficiency.

No, it’s not natural, in the same way smog is not natural. It’s just a byproduct of aviation. A form of pollution, yes. A deliberate program, no. It’s been unchanged (relative to the amount of air travel) since the 1950s.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
“A form of pollution, yes. A deliberate program, no. It’s been unchanged (relative to the amount of air travel) since the 1950s.” It is here that I have to disagree. The persistent contrails are becoming more and more prevalent and there are patterns that I am beginning to see. I have to believe that it is being done with a purpose in mind. I just don’t know what.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
Have you ever heard of “apophenia”? It’s natural to see patterns in things, like with pareidolia.

They seem more and more prevalent for two reasons:
1) They are more prevalent (more jet travel now).
2) You are looking for them now.

Did you ever buy a new car, then you suddenly start noticing lots more of the same model car on the road?

I mean no insult here. Just think about it.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
I understand what you are saying but there is something different about my observations. The fact that thousands more are noticing this is interesting and very telling. However, whatever is going on, it is pollution and should be addressed. Our environmental infrastructure is very delicate and needs to be protected, whether the weather is being manipulated or not.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
True. Contrail generated cloud cover is a problem. Nobody denies this. But people are putting out all these weird conspiracy theories, and scientifically inaccurate information (some people say that NO contrails ever persist, which is obviously false, but there is no convincing them).

So sure it’s a problem, and if you want to adopt it as a cause, then that’s great. But you’ll be much more likely to effect change if your science is strong.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
The problem that I face is the lack of scientific expertise. I agree that many contrails and persistent contrails happen naturally. However, the observations I have made over the last 9 1/2 months has shown me that there are times when these lines seem purposely put in place. The purpose is frustratingly unknown. Scientific data is being sought after. Your input has been very helpful, even if we do not totally agree. Thank you.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
“Seem” is the key word there. It’s quite a valid scientific pursuit to see a pattern, and try to figure out what is causing it. Sure, there are grid patterns, and iridescence, and days where it seems like there are a lot of parallel trails. I’ve seen all that too. But there are good scientific reasons for those things, and none of them involve deliberate laying of trails. Just lots of passenger jets, and the effects of the weather.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
I know you are trying to be helpful but the aerial activities I have witnessed are not normal. Jets flying in close proximity while leaving trails, dark material in the contrails, and sky obsuration are just some of the things that make me believe that this is a matter worth putting the time in to investigate. Also, many of the trails are below the altitude where they would normally exist.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
Close proximity = Military patrols or jets at different altitude.
Dark material = clouds in shadow.
Sky Obscuration = always happened, depends on weather.
Low altitude = difficult to estimate, big planes look lower than smaller planes.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
At this point you are beginning to annoy me. Your “explanations” are not based on any facts and you are not taking into account the fact that thousands of people are seeing the same anomalies that I am. I am convinced that there is more to the chemtrail story than meets the eye. If you want to continue to bury your head in the sand, please do so. Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
I don’t mean to be annoying. I’ve been looking into contrails for quite a while now, and put up a web-site (contrailscience-com). I’m not trying to “explain away” the things you see. I’m trying to explain them. My explanations ARE based on facts, as you can see at my web site.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
Your site is interesting and shows a lot of work but I am sticking to my guns. There is a lot of data and scientific facts that I found supporting my belief that there is something amiss overhead.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
I would be very interested to see these data and scientific facts. Is this stuff you personally observed, or is it research on the web?
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
One site I found very useful is californiaskywatch. I am not a scientist, unfortunately. Out of curiosity, where are you based? If you were looking at the skies in NYC, I think you would definitely understand the reason for my concerns.
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
I’m in Los Angeles. It’s fairly rare to get persistent contrails here, because of the weather, and not a vast amount of overflight. We did have a few days of it a month ago.
NYC has a HUGE amount of nearby overflight. It’s also a lot more moist. So it’s not surprising you get a lot more persistent contrails. See flightaware dot com.
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
Actually, Los Angeles has a lot of activity and I have seen photos and videos. I also see them in photo and film shoots, as well as live events on the west coast. What if you find out that this is all real, but it is too late to do something about it?
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Epoxynous (1 day ago)
That argument sounds like “Pascal’s Wager”, and is false for the same reasons.

I live in LA, I look at the sky every day. We do occasionally get persistent contrails. Usually these are fairly isolated. I don’t think I would characterize it as a “lot of activity” – that’s being rather selective. We usually have nice blue skies here (in the afternoon).
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Airshipal (1 day ago)
I would bet that “Pascal’s Wager” does not apply in this case. Also, it is the isolated obscuration that has caught my attention.
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Epoxynous (23 hours ago)
Isolated obscuration? You mean one bit of the sky? Or one day/week of the month?

A while ago there was a stunning persistent contrail over LA, just one, in one direction (West). Horizon to horizon in a clear blue sky. I eventually figured it was a flight from Denver to Hawaii that just happened to be flying over LA at the right height.
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Airshipal (23 hours ago)
What I am seeing is obscuration is just a portion of the sky with no other contrails in sight. Lines are laid out in definite patterns and the clouds spread out to form this obscuration. That is one of the main reasons that this caught my attention. What I was witnessing did not make sense. It also seemed to happen at specific times and it was the pattern that got me curious. That was what drove me to pursue this.
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jake20259 (22 hours ago)
Airshipal:

Don’t waste anymore time with this Epoxynous fellow. He is a pro debunker of chemtrails. He would not admit a chemtrail if he died from one. He has a website where he tries to scienticficly prove everything is a contrail. All he has to do is look up and see some of the contrails that sputter and then realize they are not “contrails”. I would not doubt he is a govt shill.
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Airshipal (22 hours ago)
Thank you for supporting me. I agree that there is a science to contrails but chemtrails are a whole new ballgame.
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Epoxynous (22 hours ago)
They are laid in definite patterns and specific times because they are scheduled flights that fly the same routes every day. Whenever the weather conditions are right, you will get the same patterns at the same time of day.
Contrails spreading to cover the sky is nothing unusual. Even individual contrails can do this – if the altitude of high humidity is limited.
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Airshipal (22 hours ago)
Boy, you can’t take a hint. The science behind your explanations does not hold water with my personal observations. It is clearly obvious that you have your own agenda which is fine. However, it seems to me that you are fighting too hard to convince someone who truly believes that there is something amiss to change his mind. A word to the wise…it ain’t gonna happen.
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Epoxynous (22 hours ago)
Well, I guess your mind is made up.

What are you going to do about it?
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Airshipal (21 hours ago) I have written to my Congressman and other elected officials about my concerns, I have had a few newspaper articles written in local newspapers, I am the co-creator of a website and I encourage everyone that I see when this is going on to look up and see it for themselves. One day you will understand that there is more to this than you are willing to admit to. Good luck!
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Epoxynous (21 hours ago)
Good luck to you too. There are genuine concerns here (google “aviation smog”), but nobody has come up with any convincing evidence this is being done deliberately.

The point being, you are far more likely to get action taken if you focus on “aviation smog”, and not on rather speculative conspiracies. If there are conspiracies, then investigating aviation smog will reveal them. But if you focus on conspiracy, the mainstream will laugh you off.
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Airshipal (21 hours ago)
What got me so involved in this in the first place is concerns about my health and the diagnosed conditions that appeared all at the same time. While there may be no link to chemtrails, the possibility intrigued me. I have gone down several paths in my quest for knowledge and do not address some of the more outlandish conspiracy theories. I am letting my observations guide me. My eyes don’t lie.
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Epoxynous (21 hours ago)
Oh yes they do. Your eyes lie all the time. Blind spots, saccadic masking, “same color illusion”,
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Airshipal (21 hours ago)
I meant that the activity I see is out of the norm. You took that a little too literal.
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Epoxynous (18 hours ago)
Ah well, then you really mean statistics. You must have some statistics of how there are more of these trails now than there were before?

Of if it’s something new, you must be able to show that this kind of thing never happened in the past?
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Airshipal (17 hours ago)
Please, go somewhere else to peddle your wares. Whatever your trying to sell, no one is buying here.
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Epoxynous (17 hours ago)
So, one day you look up at the sky, and notice there are a lot more contrails than normal, and they seem to be formed in a weird grid pattern. So, you think this MUST have been done deliberately, since there is no other explanation you can think of.

Do you think the dark lines are suspicious as well?
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Airshipal (17 hours ago)
The YouTube comments section is not an appropriate forum for a debate. You are officially annoying me and will be blocked from my channel. Now go bother someone else. You are a sick little man.
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